@Bluegrass:

My personal rule of thumb on IH's sanforized denim is what little shrinkage you get from a soak/wash, you will get pretty close to that back in stretch after a few wears - except for the length of course.  So I look at and follow the IH measurements and that has worked well for me.  I have 4 IH cuts in different denims and have gone TTS (same tag size) on all.  Usually it is pretty obvious which size is the best choice.  On the 18oz raw denim I'd say there is a little more "art" involved, but the sanforized is pretty straightforward unless you are just right between sizes.  Of course if you size way down, and put a lot of stress on the waist, you could get more stretch I'm sure. Some people might want to size down to get the look they seek but I have not had to do that.

Thanks for that – really helpful. I'm not a great fan of turnups -- I was planning on getting them hemmed to 34", the same as my existing pair. Does that sound like a good idea? I didn't realise they got shorter after being washed/soaked...

Also, RP, that looks to me an excellent fit post-soak. Didn't realise it made such a difference what with the sanforization and all that stuff. Really hope mine end up looking similar!

@Bluegrass:

Compare the measurements - I don't know anything about APCs. Between the two Devils are generally lower rise and slimmer through the thigh than BBs.

Ok right – but can I expect them to stretch much in the waist? Before I was advised to get two sizes below the size I usually get, and they ended up fitting perfectly. Should I expect much stretching here? I'm slightly confused why the named size different from the actual waist measurement? Ideally I'd prefer to get a smaller waist size if possible so they would be narrower in the leg.

Hi all!

I'm looking at getting some IH denim, and I'm torn between either the 666-XHS or the Beatle Buster. I've been looking at the measurements but I'm finding it really hard to visualise what they would look like. My only existing pair of jeans is a pair of APC New Standard (size 28) – does anybody have any idea which IH denim would fit similarly?