Unpopular opinions
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Word….
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She looks like my French teacher at school, who was also a perma-tanned evil old cow. We nicknamed her "granny brown".
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And the US senate just sold the rest of the working stiffs down the river by ramming through their money masters trade pact. Projected $40 billion loss in manufacturing over the next 10 years . I'm fucking pissed. I'm so glad I'm not 20 years old & having to live with the shit these jackals are dealing.
And for my UK brethren I'm angry not drunk. Yet.
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@steelworker It is as simple as this, Washington is nothing but a billionaier and millionaier club.
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I'd like to politely remind everyone of the Forum's prohibition on political discussion.
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Nice one David, I have no issue with Buco or their designs, just the use of the name on stuff not actually made by Buco (and yes the Lee thing irrationally irritates me too).
I see it as rmcs pursuit of authenticity… Buco was a legendary maker of motorcycle jackets and if you're a repro maker for moto jackets then a Buco label only makes sense.
Don't you think it's better than some companies that just slap on a Buco label, like Diamond Dave, who I think don't have the right to?
I can see how one would be annoyed if they were dragging the fine company's name through the mud with atrocious quality and poor designs, doing the old brand and the man its named after a disservice, but the fact is RMC's Buco is 1000x better than anything vintage... And it's all moot since they bought the rights so they can do what they want.
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Nice one David, I have no issue with Buco or their designs, just the use of the name on stuff not actually made by Buco (and yes the Lee thing irrationally irritates me too).
I'm with you, Mega. The quality doesn't matter, even if it easily surpasses the original. It's more than just the name; once the continuity is gone, so is the authenticity. You can buy the label, but you can't buy the heritage.
I wish Japanese companies were better about building their own distinct identities, rather than buying defunct labels or slavishly reproducing old clothes. Levis suing everyone for intellectual property violations was the best thing to happen in the denim repro/workwear/Americana market in years.
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Chris - word
Ben - I already stated it was nothing to do with quality. Using someone else's label (even if you bought it, which in fact is worse in my eyes) makes far less sense than building your own rep. It's not even like RMC need the rep.
Similar situation to Belstaff and the Italian brand. They can call it Buco, it's probably better quality than original Buco, but it isn't Buco. Name without heritage and history does not float my boat, sorry.
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How is buying the name worse than just using it without giving those who own it and the history a slice of the pie?
I think one of the reasons that it doesn't bother me is because, as you mentioned, RMC doesn't need the rep. If a company just uses the name to further its sales then that's lame. If a company like RMC makes outstanding jackets, that are essentially 1:1 replicas of buco jackets, I figure they might as well legally go the extra mile and license the name too.
It's not like they do it for everything, they have interpretations of old jackets and they use their own Joe McCoy label for those.
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Using the name, labeling, copyrights, trademarks and other intellectual property without permission is wrong and illegal. No one said that it was better than buying those rights. What I'm saying is that slapping a Buco, or Lee, or Belstaff, or Indian label on something that has zero connection to the original product is annoying, regardless of how good the product is.
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No one said that it was better than buying those rights.
Ben - I already stated it was nothing to do with quality. Using someone else's label (even if you bought it, which in fact is worse in my eyes) makes far less sense than building your own rep.
I guess I just disagree… it's true the connection is only in the fact that it's intending to be a replica, but I still just think that a perfectly reproduced label adds to that effect.
I know you guys think that it's annoying in any way, but I'd only be annoyed if a company was trying capitalize on heritage and swindle consumers into thinking they're getting something of a certain quality that they were not. Since I doubt anyone buying RMC thinks they're getting a vintage buco, the quality is far higher than what it once was, and I think that the label isn't what's selling the jackets, the outstanding quality is, it doesn't bother me.
In short: rmc don't need rep from a little label, so its no problem to me.
But I know that that's not the answer gav was looking for...
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In short: rmc don't need rep from a little label, so its no problem to me.
Exactly this in my mind also. It's part of their accuracy for repro, that they bought the damn label as well! How is that for all in?!
A lot of the really cool stuff is dead and long forgotten, and now brought back up. If it has to be OG or nothing, in this day and age I see that as an elitist point of view and one that must be extremely difficult to function with considering almost nothing is authentic anymore.
How about Levis 501's? They are no longer the original 501's. Hunting down the old valencia street models, or perhaps even older back to the miners to find the authentic jeans?
It's all a wank fest anyhow. In the end it's just a label, and good business/company is just that. It doesn't need the 300 years of heritage and multi-generational aspect to be 'real'.
So yup, now I understand the unpopular opinion in it's full, glad it's in here, and will let it be an unpopular opinion :).
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Curious to know what both @Chris and @Megatron1505 think of Stevenson Overall Co.
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Ben - It's worse because buying someone else's history in place of creating your own doesn't sit well with me, I cannot make it any simpler than that.
Guys, I stated an unpopular opinion, it remains my opinion and clearly from the response it is entirely in the correct thread.
What began as a response asking for clarification now seems to be people wanting to argue against it or attempt to change my opinion (by some), which has clearly been stated as prohibited in the thread as it has lead to arguments before.
The opinions in this thread stand, regardless of whether you agree with them or not.
If anyone wishes to debate this with me privately I am all ears.
