Luggage Bags and Packs
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the price argument is kind of pointless seeing that I have no problem paying IH prices for jeans when I could get Gap jeans that would clothe me just fine. Fuck that though. The reason I think Goruck is "over priced" is not really because they offer less bang for the buck, but because I feel there are other brands that have established themselves through time, research, and experience that offer a better product. Mystery Ranch and Kifaru are two that come to mind. I mean, Gorucks GR2 is almost $400. You can get a Kifaru or Mystery Ranch that has an established support structure or frame for equal or less. Thats my point of view. i dont doubt that they are great bags. I really like the shape of them and the lack of molle and straps. It makes for a nice, sleek bag when all is zipped and ready to go. Some people might not want a frame on their bag, so Kifaru and MR might not be an option. Different strokes, different folks.
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The price argument might be a pointless one for you man, but it isn't for a lot of people. In particular with Goruck, it is one of the things that I read most concerning the brand over many websites and forums.
People who find it easy to justify their large scale purchase jeans or boots might find it more difficult for a bag, it's all about priorities and lifestyle I guess. It was an issue for me, but it came down to me liking the GR1 more than any other bag of its type, along side their actual life time guarantee, making it the last bag I need. Over the years it will actually save me money, as I use it just about every day.
On the whole frame issue, it is one of the points most often mentioned by reviewers, and they all seem to agree that with a Goruck bag it does not seem to make much difference. I seem to remember that the straps as so well designed that the pack sits naturally high on the back, making carrying a load far easier and negating the requirement for a frame.
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i didnt mean that the price shouldn't be taken into consideration. I just meant that its kind of pointless to argue it online as a justification to purchase the bag. Its a huge drawback for some, and a moot point for others. I would be all over their product if each piece was about $50-$100 less than where it sits now. As it is, I cant justify it.
Regarding the frame, I dont think the frame on my Mystery Ranch ( i have a 3 day assault) is there so much for weight or load as it is to custom fit the bag to your body. Being able to adjust it so the bag hits your lower back where it is supposed to, and have the top hit right on your shoulders where it is supposed to is priceless when hauling loads that are heavy or awkward.
Regardless, I think Goruck offers a great product, and the ones I have seen seem built to last. Cant deny the quality. Also, like I stated before, I really like the minimalist straps and molle on it. That and the shape is perfect for travel and stashing it in places without having awkward pieces all over the place. Some of the TAD Gear bags I see people rocking have so many pouches and gadgets hanging off of them it seems like its more of a burden than anything. I mean, how organized do you really need to be? Do you really need 4 nylon external pouches to hold pens? I dont get it, but again, different strokes…
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I suppose the price argument for absolutely anything is pointless in that regard, if you like something and you can afford it, then buy it, end of story really.
I have loaded my GR1 full to bursting on a few occasions, coming back from Jakarta a few weeks ago it was literally bulging at the seams, but it has always been nothing short if extremely comfortable. This is not something I can say for the three Head Porter packs I have owned, the Herschel that I transported my New York swag in, or the ridiculously overpriced Visvim (price argument again), that I flipped inside a couple of days.
With Goruck, design is everything and ease of use/ ease of carry is unrivalled in any other pack that I personally have used. That being said, if someone were to show me a brand who could do all that, make a good looking pack, keep it sweatshop free and shave $50 off the price, I would be all over them like a cheap suit.
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Hi all, I am looking at a backpack/daypack for both me and my girlfriend to use. Want to be able to put a dlsr, food, water, books, rain jackets and so on in it. I like the look of the canvas bags, I dont want one made in a sweatshop!
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What is your budget?
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What is your budget?
Well under $200 delivered would be nice. I would go higher but i have a Kregia backpack for my motorbike already which when in australia i use daily. I highly reccommend them for any one that rides, feels great loaded, takes weight off your arse and doesnt move even doing 250km/h.
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Herschel are pretty good for a cheaper pack, I used one up until I got my GR1.
I always used to use Head Porter back in the day, no idea what they cost, or where to buy them these days.
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are herschel sweatshop though, saw they are made in china? did you get taxed on the goruck mega?
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China has a minimum wage now dude, if you don't want massive financial penalties and a shit ton of bad press, you move your sweat shop to Vietnam, Pakistan or Bangladesh. Made in China isn't quite the stigma that is used to be.
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Good to know it is getting better then. Would you buy denim from China yet? :o
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Not for the next 2 years
But yeh, I hear good things about Red Cloud so I see no reason not to. The location isn't important to me, the quality, the people and the process is what make an item worth the money.
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But yeh, I hear good things about Red Cloud so I see no reason not to. The location isn't important to me, the quality, the people and the process is what make an item worth the money.
You are right there, I saw an interview with beetle and she spoke how the Japanese see textiles (think that's the right term) as a good job and skill. I want my clothes made by someone that wants to make them.
I should say I want everything in my life to be made by someone that enjoys making it.
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There are good and bad manufacturers in every country, it seems that Japan has a higher percentage of good ones than most other places.
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I talked to a guy who sells high end HiFi equipment. He had some issues with a Japanese Amp and the company sent an "apprentice" over to the UK to help sort out this very complicated issue. This guy was in his 60's, had worked for decades for the same company and was still apprentice because he was still learning. AND and he was proud of it.
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so now i have re read the thread and now am looking at gorucks. gr1, radio or echo? is the echo to small?
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likely yes, a good around town pack but the rr or gr1 are more appropriate for most, depends on your needs
see here http://news.goruck.com/gear-explained/sizing-rucks-and-drinking-beers-in-bozeman-montana/
