Sounds like a plan.

Thanks for all your help.  I’ll drop some photos when the Jeans show up!

@neph93:

You’ll get an inch wearing them without a soak, but you’ll need to leave the legs an inch longer than normal or leave them unhemmed. You also risk fade shift if you wear them too long without washing. If honeycombs form and they shrink they will end up an inch higher than they should be.

This is super helpful / a great point.

I just pulled the trigger, so the jeans should show up next week some time.

Do you recommend doing an initial soak, after I make sure they fit? Or am I just asking for a world of pain and potentially broken fingers?

Just heard from Graham, looks like they have an 88.6 waist.  With .5” of stretch, that puts the pair around 89.8cm, which is pretty close to ideal.  I think I’m going to pull the trigger on them!

One inch of shrinkage is the Max you will get. Most people get less judging by my own experience and documentation here. One inch of stretch is normal. That leaves you with a little aggregate stretch.

I guess if your jeans shrink 0.5” and you achieve 1.5” stretch then you have 1” aggregate stretch. I’d say it is possible but I wouldn’t bank on it.

I think I was a little unclear.  If I plan on no soak/wash, just wearing them day one.  Is hoping for .5-1” of stretch in the waist reasonable?

I understand that after the first wash they will shrink down (about 1”), but after that I should be able to get them back out to the “stretched” waist size?

Thanks for all your help, super excited!

@neph93:

@monkO:

Go for the 34’s and tough out the waist?
Go for the 35’s and enjoy the roominess and maybe do a hot soak?

Are those measurements for the SBG as they are now after having been broken in?

Bare in mind that the XHS will shrink a little when they get a wash. You’ll loose a centimeter or two in the waist then. The XHS typically ends up about half an inch bigger than published measurements after shrinkage and stretch.

This denim is very different to the 21oz. I have sized down in XHS before and while it is doable a more relaxed for in this denim may be a good long term bet, if you want very comfortable jeans.

That being said I think the 35’s will be too big for you. Have you asked Graham about a rogue 34 in bigger measurements?

The measurements are from the broken in SBG, about a year of reasonable wear.

I agree on the 35’s.  Is expecting 1” in the waist too much to hope for?

I’ll reach out to Graham now.

Thanks for the reply!

Hey Fam,

Sizing question.

Spent the past few days reading this thread and talking with Graham, need some help picking my size!

I have a pair of 777sbg BS69xSOP420 in size 33, and I looooove them.  I know the its a softer denim with a bit more stretch, so I was looking for some sizing advice.

BS69xSOP420
Waist: 90cm (45.0cm with the IH measuring style)
Thigh: 30.5cm

This puts me aroundish the 34’s or 35’s in the 777 XHSib’s

The 35’s start with a waist of 91.2cm (larger than my current pair), and thigh at 32.8cm.  Out of the box they’d fit pretty well, maybe a touch baggy.  I’m worried about them stretching out over time, as seems to be the trend in this thread.

The 34’s start with a waist of 88.1cm, if they stretch the traditional 1 inch (2.5cm), that would put me pretty much perfect in terms of waist.  And the thigh is 32cm, not perfect, but a little closer to the BS69’s.

So, wise people of the IH forums, what should I do?

Go for the 34’s and tough out the waist?
Go for the 35’s and enjoy the roominess and maybe do a hot soak?

Thanks for the help!